PInegrove Book Club - Ali Smith 'Spring'

i thought that the twelve year old IS florence. when brit is reading her journal, she notes one of the entries, saying, “one is like a lot of the far right and far left stuff that people say, and the girl has written it all in different sizes of writing, some bits in captials.” then she says another one is told from the voice of social media.

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no not at all!! i loved the reveal too! in fact, it elevated her and solidified my obsession with florence as a character

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I wonder whether Brit really does have a lack of awareness! It certainly sounds like it in a way…
but at the same time, we saw in her discussion with Josh that she doesn’t seem to care much (p. 157) and I think in order to be of that mindset, she needs an awareness of some sort! (there needs to be something to “give a fuck” about)
maybe she does understand what’s going on to the point where she feels numb, maybe she understands well enough to know that there’s almost nothing she can do to unravel the really complex issues that have allowed the centre to even exist.

@jyvescuda has summed up part of what I’m trying to say as I have been writing this!

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@flo @jyvescuda absolutely. it makes me wonder what gen z is going to look like in 10 years. im hoping for a bright future. (also- loved the note on vivunt spe!)

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well spotted! doesn’t she then text josh and asks him to translate it? She could just google it and answer her question herself. Instead she hopes others will do it for her. maybe a metaphor for her general approach to solving issues? letting others do it and hoping she’ll get away with not caring enough? Maybe an overinterpretation and she just wanted to text her ex to let him know she’s thinking about something clever? :smiley:

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Was I the only one who saw similarities in Florence and in Richard’s imaginary daughter?

As for Brit, I think she’s very self-aware, but feels that she has no choice in the matter, and so doesn’t let her job get to her, even though it absolutely should. That’s why she was so thrown when she didn’t say goodbye to the hedges, because that little tradition helps silo her job away from her ‘real’ life, but when she forgot to close the loop, she was in danger of bringing work, and her feelings about work, home with her.

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i sort of saw that moment as her way of changing. she hadn’t texted him since the fight, when he pointed out how her job has made her insensitive. she literally asks him how to live in hope.

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agree 100%

Reeally really like this connection between Florence and Richard’s imaginary daughter. That is gooood :heart_eyes: :clap: :clap:

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great observation. could be possible where we have the missing pieces click in florence & richard, the child w no parental figures & the man who’s missing a daughter.

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i was thinking the same thing for florence and richard’s imaginary daughter! i thought at first that she actually was his daughter, and they were travelling to scotland to find him, which was why she was so vague about her parents.

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I did too, but then I realized that the timeline would be off. But I think, like @esh said, they are each in need of the other to fill a hole in their lives.

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re: hopelessness in the millennial generation

lindsey ellis recently dived into protest music from the 2000s forward, and the general sentiment she found was: “we can’t change any of this but luckily what we thought were the biggest problems (bush’s presidency) was only temporary.” protesting for us, in reality, was just waiting it out. believing that we can’t change any of this is brit’s hopelessness and waiting it out is her laziness. the harder work is challenging ourselves to dig deeper & define the underlying problems, and realizing that they are solvable (hope)

edit: that’s such an ugly thumbnail lol, sorry <3

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Does anyone have any idea why the woman in the van knows about Florence?:slight_smile:

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Love this & tbh was quite excited by the thumbnail, lol – can’t wait to watch in full!! Ty for sharing <3

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i think she knows florence in the same way that brit knew her before meeting her! through stories from her coworkers that she wasn’t sure were rumors or not. she knew who she was just from seeing her in the same way brit did

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the images are very much ‘of a time’ …i’ll be watching this too! thanks

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cant wait to watch the rest of this. i think that a lot of the new music were seeing from artists now is reflective of this new hope (pinegrove being one of them)!

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I kept getting the impression that Florence couldn’t possibly be real. What with her being virtually invisible, getting away with all kinds of shenanigans, and her ethereal way of thinking. She definitely gave me some ghost of christmas past vibes when she was interrogating Bernard Oates.

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any thoughts on how the stories merged? how freaking exciting did that feel to read? it was for me, very gratifying to complexly understand all of a sudden what smith had been barreling towards the whole time. i’m thinking about the control smith displays in having this macro image set for us, but propelling us from sentence to sentence with micro interest

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