PInegrove Book Club - Ali Smith 'Spring'

i was thinking the same thing for florence and richard’s imaginary daughter! i thought at first that she actually was his daughter, and they were travelling to scotland to find him, which was why she was so vague about her parents.

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I did too, but then I realized that the timeline would be off. But I think, like @esh said, they are each in need of the other to fill a hole in their lives.

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re: hopelessness in the millennial generation

lindsey ellis recently dived into protest music from the 2000s forward, and the general sentiment she found was: “we can’t change any of this but luckily what we thought were the biggest problems (bush’s presidency) was only temporary.” protesting for us, in reality, was just waiting it out. believing that we can’t change any of this is brit’s hopelessness and waiting it out is her laziness. the harder work is challenging ourselves to dig deeper & define the underlying problems, and realizing that they are solvable (hope)

edit: that’s such an ugly thumbnail lol, sorry <3

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Does anyone have any idea why the woman in the van knows about Florence?:slight_smile:

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Love this & tbh was quite excited by the thumbnail, lol – can’t wait to watch in full!! Ty for sharing <3

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i think she knows florence in the same way that brit knew her before meeting her! through stories from her coworkers that she wasn’t sure were rumors or not. she knew who she was just from seeing her in the same way brit did

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the images are very much ‘of a time’ …i’ll be watching this too! thanks

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cant wait to watch the rest of this. i think that a lot of the new music were seeing from artists now is reflective of this new hope (pinegrove being one of them)!

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I kept getting the impression that Florence couldn’t possibly be real. What with her being virtually invisible, getting away with all kinds of shenanigans, and her ethereal way of thinking. She definitely gave me some ghost of christmas past vibes when she was interrogating Bernard Oates.

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any thoughts on how the stories merged? how freaking exciting did that feel to read? it was for me, very gratifying to complexly understand all of a sudden what smith had been barreling towards the whole time. i’m thinking about the control smith displays in having this macro image set for us, but propelling us from sentence to sentence with micro interest

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ya, definitely, it’s almost intoxicating how magically effective she is

getting a grown man in charge of an IRC to yell after her: Hey. HEY. When was I informative. HEY. 206 after she has decided the conversation was over chef kiss

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Sooo super satisfying for the stories to come together like that. Especially liked thinking about how Florence/Richard (other characters as well) existing at the same time but not knowing each other (yet?) was parallel to the movie/book from part 1, Mansfield & Rilke and the whole unknowing co-existing vibe.

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i cackled!!

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trruuuuuuuee!!

edit:wow the message board wouldn’t let me publish an incomplete sentence? that’s weird

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i found it interesting in conjunction with the conversation that was had last time we met. there was this sort of hope that there would be new life to come after paddy’s death in the first section. after all, we cant have rebirth without death first. i think florence is that new hope. as the older generation dies, the newer one is born. florence said it herself when brit says that by them being spring and winter, respectively, that florence would kill her off. florence’s response, “without you, i wouldn’t exist” is, what i think, especially ties the two stories together

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probably my favorite part in the book so far!!

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there was some low-voltage electricity vibrating through me as a remembered that it was a young girl and women in some kind of government get up that interrupted richard at the end of section one, and then when it happened it felt like the lighting bolt finally exploded. and i was actually really happy for richard, he could really uses florence’s shining light! would anyone else have saved him?

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Just to complete the quote bc i underlined it and its incredible:

If we were seasons, I would be following you.
You’d be the end of me, Brit said. You’d kill me off.
No, you’d make me possible, the girl now leaning against her fast asleep said.
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watching this now

The moment of the stories connecting made me very, very happy as a reader. I haven’t cheated and read ahead yet, so I’m very interested to see if the two stories continue together now, or if there is a third story that will eventually dovetail with the first two.

Overall, I think I connected more with the first book than the second, but I think that’s just a personal preference, and I certainly enjoyed the second as well. I’m looking forward to hearing everyone’s thoughts next week!

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